What about starting with mandating that convicted felons do so?
Most states require convicted felons to give DNA samples. As far as I know, this is exclusively used for identification of DNA samples from crime scenes, but why not use the data to identify gene clusters that predispose persons to commit violent crime?
This overcomes civil liberties objections and gives us a very large sample size of people with the worst DNA. I guarantee that we will learn a great deal of actionable knowledge from mining this data.
Rather than trying to have a huge sample size from the general public, it is far more important to oversample the people with the most socially destructive behavior.
More carrots, less sticks. You need to give people some investment into the project beyond just a one off payment, e.g. subsidized access to health services developed using the database; ownership of a token airdropped to participants in it; etc. People will also have privacy concerns so you'll need to involve the zk specialists in its development.
Hey I found this liberal organization attacking Trump on immigration they're called the liberal project could you look at their claims and see if they're valid or not would you mind cuz I'm not an expert in social scientists
Collect all you want—voluntarily from “donors”. Anything else won’t hack it. WRT other comments, there is no such thing as anonymity. The government is not your friend in this regard. Since you readily admit to the USA as not being a very “voluntary”, sure provide incentive. As to your guess that with the “right” messaging folks *will* come forth voluntarily, note that your messaging will not be the only one out there calling for public attention in this matter. You will have a great objection to content with as well. I can think of any number of such objections. Finally, 350M? We really need that number for better results of study? Your 10% figure even seems extravagantly large. Your best bet seems to obtain a reasonable funding source and then start offering $$$ for a “swab”. I suspect you’ll obtain plenty of data, just will have sampling problems—and those might be problematic.
Why not? if you support public school then you can just jeans sequence everyone in kindergarten and make them take an IQ test in high school as well as some other questionnaires. Not that hard
Well, I don’t know where you live, but in the USA in general there is required schooling, but not required “public” schooling. We, in my State have an advanced cohort of non-public schooled children. In any event the issue you initially spoke of and one of compulsory schooling is not of the same effect. Second, we have a Constitution that has been interpreted as supporting “privacy”, which is how abortion laws were (once) overturned. My genome is my own to use as I see fit. There are laws such as the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act (GINA) in the U.S. prohibits discrimination based on genetic information which may be useful in further decisions on whether the State may compel me to “voluntarily” provide such to the State.
I fully support your (voluntary) attempts to secure a good data set for HBD purposes. I’m a proponent myself of the science, which is why I read you. However, I’ve been around too long to support more invasion of privacy—none of which is conducive to my betterment, nor of the betterment of society in general (IMO). We already live in a surveillance state that would make Stalin envious. I will cede no more ground to Big Brother.
Just a thought, what if I will you my genome? Not kidding. I will my eyes, my kidneys, my skin. You want my DNA sample and potentially medical records? This is a thought I’ve not considered throughly.
What about starting with mandating that convicted felons do so?
Most states require convicted felons to give DNA samples. As far as I know, this is exclusively used for identification of DNA samples from crime scenes, but why not use the data to identify gene clusters that predispose persons to commit violent crime?
This overcomes civil liberties objections and gives us a very large sample size of people with the worst DNA. I guarantee that we will learn a great deal of actionable knowledge from mining this data.
Rather than trying to have a huge sample size from the general public, it is far more important to oversample the people with the most socially destructive behavior.
More carrots, less sticks. You need to give people some investment into the project beyond just a one off payment, e.g. subsidized access to health services developed using the database; ownership of a token airdropped to participants in it; etc. People will also have privacy concerns so you'll need to involve the zk specialists in its development.
Hey I found this liberal organization attacking Trump on immigration they're called the liberal project could you look at their claims and see if they're valid or not would you mind cuz I'm not an expert in social scientists
I have no problem collecting gene sequencing as long as it is anonymous, and the families remain anonymous. Make up names.
How about collaborate with private investigators to make this cheaper?, give them tax cuts for doing all of this
Collect all you want—voluntarily from “donors”. Anything else won’t hack it. WRT other comments, there is no such thing as anonymity. The government is not your friend in this regard. Since you readily admit to the USA as not being a very “voluntary”, sure provide incentive. As to your guess that with the “right” messaging folks *will* come forth voluntarily, note that your messaging will not be the only one out there calling for public attention in this matter. You will have a great objection to content with as well. I can think of any number of such objections. Finally, 350M? We really need that number for better results of study? Your 10% figure even seems extravagantly large. Your best bet seems to obtain a reasonable funding source and then start offering $$$ for a “swab”. I suspect you’ll obtain plenty of data, just will have sampling problems—and those might be problematic.
>Anything else won’t hack it
Why not? if you support public school then you can just jeans sequence everyone in kindergarten and make them take an IQ test in high school as well as some other questionnaires. Not that hard
Well, I don’t know where you live, but in the USA in general there is required schooling, but not required “public” schooling. We, in my State have an advanced cohort of non-public schooled children. In any event the issue you initially spoke of and one of compulsory schooling is not of the same effect. Second, we have a Constitution that has been interpreted as supporting “privacy”, which is how abortion laws were (once) overturned. My genome is my own to use as I see fit. There are laws such as the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act (GINA) in the U.S. prohibits discrimination based on genetic information which may be useful in further decisions on whether the State may compel me to “voluntarily” provide such to the State.
I fully support your (voluntary) attempts to secure a good data set for HBD purposes. I’m a proponent myself of the science, which is why I read you. However, I’ve been around too long to support more invasion of privacy—none of which is conducive to my betterment, nor of the betterment of society in general (IMO). We already live in a surveillance state that would make Stalin envious. I will cede no more ground to Big Brother.
Just a thought, what if I will you my genome? Not kidding. I will my eyes, my kidneys, my skin. You want my DNA sample and potentially medical records? This is a thought I’ve not considered throughly.
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