There is an insane amount of repeat teaching in school. When I found that the 6th grade (start of Middle School) was largely repeating her 5th grade math, I had her jumped to 7th grade math. I had to haul her to and from the high school at the beginning of the day (with numerous other parents doing the same) to get her the appropriate math when she was in 7th grade. I had her do Geometry by correspondence over the summer after 7th grade (which meant that I had to answer Geometry questions, something I had not done in 50 years). She skipped 8th grade and went to high school. She did pre-calculus be correspondence over the summer after 9th grade and Calculus in 10th grade. She dropped out of high school after 10th grade and went to the University, where she did her BS and MS in Civil Engineering.
Her younger brother, who was not so mathematically adept still survived engineering Calculus when he did Running Start and started his college work when he would have been in 11th grade. He went the Business - MIS route rather than Engineering. Both completed their MS degrees when they were 21.
IQ is necessary but not sufficient. The University of Washington has an early admission program that has two entering groups - one out of 8th grade, and one out of 10th grade. The 8th graders were given a year of transition schooling before being released to the campus Honors courses. They have recently increased the transition period to 2 years. The 10th graders went straight into the campus Honors courses. The year my daughter went she was one of 4 10th graders in the program from her high school. She had just turned 15 when she started her university classes.
A note - Medical school will not take younger applicants. The early admission candidates tracking for med school would need to take a few years doing research, relevant employment, or relevant schooling before going to med school.
Is chasing credentials from today's colleges a net positive activity today? Someone with ambition and a 145 IQ is probably better off learning on their own and developing a work history.
IQ is necessary but not sufficient. I am a physcist with a Ph.D. in Engineering. I also did a few startups. I also work in a field where my professional training is non-existant. My qualifications are experience and published papers in the field.
A bright young twerp coming up typically doesn't know what problems are of particular interest and which ones are likely to of lower impact. An autodidact can not read everything - there is too much, and in many business environments much is fully irrational as it is dealing not with what is, but with perceptions of what is, which may be rather different.
The university is a good area for a bright young individual to find a match between their talents and a career. In business they will get thrown into whatever the current problem driving their managers crazy is. And if they try to do startups they need funding and marketing guidance - I can testify from personal experience that being too far ahead of the market is fatal.
In many states you can reclaim 2 of those years by doing College in High School / Running Start, where students start at the local community college instead of going to 11th grade. But there a few big BUT's that you must be aware of.
1 - this probably only really works for students who then go to the state university
2 - the student needs to have selected the appropriate transfer courses, not the easier high schooly variants. This typically requires good counseling at the school or by the parent.
3 - the student needs to be prepared for the coursework - which may require a year or more of summer or after-school preparation so that the student is ready for college level work in 11th grade. This is particularily an issue in Math, as much math work is consecutive - but you can take Geometry in parallel with algebraic classes. It also helps if the student is used to lots and lots of Reading. Reading speed and comprehension are important.
But if you do the work and take advantage of the opportunity, the student can cut their college cost in half. If they combine it with ROTC (in the States, Reserve Officer Training Corps, grads then go into the armed services), they may get out of college with no debt at all.
Yup I had a strong distaste for the high school classroom(and structured learning as a whole), but I was able to take part in something like this.
I didn’t realize I had the option until my junior year(by then, I had already taken multiple study halls in my previous years because I had nothing to do, and just accepted I would be at high school for 4 years).
In my junior year, I took an English class with a local college, and was given credits for college and high school at the same time. It literally is a cheat code, because high school is already easy as it stands.
My senior year(during pandemic) I didn’t step foot into my school once, was able to work M-F saving up for college, play multiple sports, and do my classes(all college, and 100% paid for) In my spare time.
Although I have a strong distaste for academia and could’ve applied myself more, I finished 2 years of college with 0 debt. I had numerous grants lined up, and would’ve graduated with less than 6k of student loans. I put almost no effort into efforts like these, and likely would’ve graduated college completely debt free(if I applied for scholarships instead of working). I eventually dropped out, but I 100% stand with your point.
College is incredibly easy to succeed in, academically and financially if you have a decent amount of drive to do more than the bare minimum(at least in America). I find it funny how people are complaining that they have hundreds of thousands in student loans, yet they are completely irrational and going to college for something such as gender studies.
If you actually try, you could graduate high school and college in half the time.
The amount of time that society takes from our children is such a huge tragedy. The scale of the tragedy is difficult to come to terms with. We are not doing right by our kids
I, as a 110 IQ sixteen year old (tested at 13, also my verbal IQ is 124 compared to other IQ subfacets) What is my potential? Could I have been, say, doing 11th grade work whilst in the 8th grade? Am I cut out for HBD?
There is an insane amount of repeat teaching in school. When I found that the 6th grade (start of Middle School) was largely repeating her 5th grade math, I had her jumped to 7th grade math. I had to haul her to and from the high school at the beginning of the day (with numerous other parents doing the same) to get her the appropriate math when she was in 7th grade. I had her do Geometry by correspondence over the summer after 7th grade (which meant that I had to answer Geometry questions, something I had not done in 50 years). She skipped 8th grade and went to high school. She did pre-calculus be correspondence over the summer after 9th grade and Calculus in 10th grade. She dropped out of high school after 10th grade and went to the University, where she did her BS and MS in Civil Engineering.
Her younger brother, who was not so mathematically adept still survived engineering Calculus when he did Running Start and started his college work when he would have been in 11th grade. He went the Business - MIS route rather than Engineering. Both completed their MS degrees when they were 21.
IQ is necessary but not sufficient. The University of Washington has an early admission program that has two entering groups - one out of 8th grade, and one out of 10th grade. The 8th graders were given a year of transition schooling before being released to the campus Honors courses. They have recently increased the transition period to 2 years. The 10th graders went straight into the campus Honors courses. The year my daughter went she was one of 4 10th graders in the program from her high school. She had just turned 15 when she started her university classes.
A note - Medical school will not take younger applicants. The early admission candidates tracking for med school would need to take a few years doing research, relevant employment, or relevant schooling before going to med school.
Is chasing credentials from today's colleges a net positive activity today? Someone with ambition and a 145 IQ is probably better off learning on their own and developing a work history.
IQ is necessary but not sufficient. I am a physcist with a Ph.D. in Engineering. I also did a few startups. I also work in a field where my professional training is non-existant. My qualifications are experience and published papers in the field.
A bright young twerp coming up typically doesn't know what problems are of particular interest and which ones are likely to of lower impact. An autodidact can not read everything - there is too much, and in many business environments much is fully irrational as it is dealing not with what is, but with perceptions of what is, which may be rather different.
The university is a good area for a bright young individual to find a match between their talents and a career. In business they will get thrown into whatever the current problem driving their managers crazy is. And if they try to do startups they need funding and marketing guidance - I can testify from personal experience that being too far ahead of the market is fatal.
In many states you can reclaim 2 of those years by doing College in High School / Running Start, where students start at the local community college instead of going to 11th grade. But there a few big BUT's that you must be aware of.
1 - this probably only really works for students who then go to the state university
2 - the student needs to have selected the appropriate transfer courses, not the easier high schooly variants. This typically requires good counseling at the school or by the parent.
3 - the student needs to be prepared for the coursework - which may require a year or more of summer or after-school preparation so that the student is ready for college level work in 11th grade. This is particularily an issue in Math, as much math work is consecutive - but you can take Geometry in parallel with algebraic classes. It also helps if the student is used to lots and lots of Reading. Reading speed and comprehension are important.
But if you do the work and take advantage of the opportunity, the student can cut their college cost in half. If they combine it with ROTC (in the States, Reserve Officer Training Corps, grads then go into the armed services), they may get out of college with no debt at all.
Yup I had a strong distaste for the high school classroom(and structured learning as a whole), but I was able to take part in something like this.
I didn’t realize I had the option until my junior year(by then, I had already taken multiple study halls in my previous years because I had nothing to do, and just accepted I would be at high school for 4 years).
In my junior year, I took an English class with a local college, and was given credits for college and high school at the same time. It literally is a cheat code, because high school is already easy as it stands.
My senior year(during pandemic) I didn’t step foot into my school once, was able to work M-F saving up for college, play multiple sports, and do my classes(all college, and 100% paid for) In my spare time.
Although I have a strong distaste for academia and could’ve applied myself more, I finished 2 years of college with 0 debt. I had numerous grants lined up, and would’ve graduated with less than 6k of student loans. I put almost no effort into efforts like these, and likely would’ve graduated college completely debt free(if I applied for scholarships instead of working). I eventually dropped out, but I 100% stand with your point.
College is incredibly easy to succeed in, academically and financially if you have a decent amount of drive to do more than the bare minimum(at least in America). I find it funny how people are complaining that they have hundreds of thousands in student loans, yet they are completely irrational and going to college for something such as gender studies.
If you actually try, you could graduate high school and college in half the time.
Would you adress the age of voting, youth transgenderism and age rating systems?
The amount of time that society takes from our children is such a huge tragedy. The scale of the tragedy is difficult to come to terms with. We are not doing right by our kids
I, as a 110 IQ sixteen year old (tested at 13, also my verbal IQ is 124 compared to other IQ subfacets) What is my potential? Could I have been, say, doing 11th grade work whilst in the 8th grade? Am I cut out for HBD?